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expect from their nato ally. the need to say the european nations can't pay ransom money to terrorist groups because that simply fuels them to buy arms and soldiers. >> michael: but is nato looking to the united states richard to be the nation that says okay you guys listen up what happened with germany and france they paid these ransoms and got these 18 people out, and now they have funded these groups? why is it incumbent upon the united states then to be -- you know -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> the united states pays more than two-thirds of the nato budget so we have a lion's share of influence. the money paid to save the germans and french backpackers, that trend has continued. now we have encouraged -- our allies have encouraged this industry by rewarding it with money, and instead of reacting -- using other means. >> michael: of course it is going to continue if it has worked. i want to ask you as someone who has a degree of expertise in this, where do you see this going now? and what would america's role be? on the ground, with drones? what is your tak
britain this week after a 20-week deployment with nato forces in afghanistan. he spoke with reporters before leaving the country about being on the front lines taking down taliban fighters as an appear chach -- apache helicopter gunner. was asked about his las vegas nudity. he said he let his family down and himself down. it was too much army and not enough prince. >> bill: too much brat and not enough prince. bragging about killing taliban fighters. >> a funny moment yesterday when president obama was signing the nomination papers for his new cabinet picks. as is tradition, he was using several different pens and when senator harry reid went to pick up one as a mow moan toe, he asked him to put it down. he said here, he took a pen out from his jacket pocket and gave it to his senate majority leader and went off to lunch. >> bill: i'm sure harry has a collection of pens he's stolen from presidents. i don't know where to start. yesterday, as we said, just being up there so close and being part of that, in effect, being part of that ceremony. it was so exciting to be there. and to see i
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